Eugene Rabkin is the founder of www.stylezeitgeist.com and the editor of StyleZeitgeist magazine.We met about a year ago during a visit to Florence to attend the POLIMODA fashion events week as guests of Linda Loppa and be part of Momenting the Memento, the Salon Fashion Talk that took place at Villa Favard
EugeneRabkin: So we are both working on the
weekend.
Filep Motwary: I was supposed to have a
tattoo this afternoon, but I guess it’s not the day.
ER: Speaking of tattoos, Thomas Hooper
designed the cover of the upcoming issue of StyleZeitgeist magazine. We are all
very excited.
FM: Oh so nice. So what it is you want us
to talk about?
ER: The zeitgeist, of course!
FM: Hmm, I feel it’s a very complicated
period, as this polyphony is now a scream, a rather violent one. There is too
much information. It seems that we have less and less time to observe and
digest.
ER: I absolutely agree and that is exactly
what has been on my mind for quite a while. The issue is two-fold, I think.
There is too much fashion, and too much information.
FM: It seems like someone is running after
everyone of us, though this someone, if you put it down is non-existent.
I mean, its not like we are in the post war
60's, we are not in the Vietnam period, there's no Woodstock, disco, Michael
Jackson. It’s a new era! (I mention facts
of post-war American history)
ER: I think that today curation is becoming
increasingly important, as people will rely more and more on those who are able
to edit all this information down. And I think that's what both of us are
trying to do in our own way.
FM: But my question is whether there is
time for those designers who deserve to be recognized? Is there any space left
for anyone new?
ER: I think there is, but they will not be
recognized on the large scale. I think, rather, they will be celebrated in
disparate venues. For example, there is the CFDA in America,
who keep giving awards to the same people every year.
FM: Exactly what I wanted to say.
ER: But then there are other venues, like
StyleZeitgeist or your blog, that celebrate other designers. There are more
voices with their own audiences. And I think that's healthy.
FM: Combined with my own obsessions you
mean!
ER: Yes, but if your obsessions have an
audience, that means other people share them. For me, it's the most gratifying
aspect of doing StyleZeitgeist, that I am not alone, that there is a community
of like-minded people who learn through me and from whom I have learned so
much.
FM: But everything has been normalized for
a few years now.
ER: How do you mean?
FM: There are no real surprises, things to
keep you excited.
I was recently talking with Rick Owens and
he mentioned how, for example, being gay has become such normality, how gay
people suffered during the 70's or 80's, excluded in their own bars thus now
they can get married, have a happy life with their companion, adopt. Finally!
Yet, I would say, there was a romantic aspect about this struggle of identity
back then which does not really exist today.
ER: Yes. But isn't it the case with all
struggles? You fight for what exactly? For acceptance, you rights. And once you
get those rights, life becomes rather placid - vacations, shopping, dinners.
FM: Yes. But what I am trying to say is,
life has become a bit of a bore with regards to fashion, there this
Americanized approach on everything where something completely trashy becomes
an ode to style, and how something fragile or iconic becomes vulgar through an
interpretation of a pop diva that hired a stylist to pull it off while she
works on her music... The general impact of America on the rest of the world.
ER: I believe that new design talent will
come. It will just be more difficult because so many things have been done
already. But it's not impossible. Though another Rick Owens quote comes to mind
about how designers are the new rock bands - everybody wants to be one.
What we need now is support for young
designers and I don't see it in New York or in Paris. I think that London is in
the best shape today and that the British Fashion Council is making all the
right moves.
FM: Still, too many big things happen at
the same time. For example, when I am in Paris my schedule is so hectic and so
precise that there is barely time to see anything else apart from the designers
on schedule. I go from one show to the next using the shuttle bus and
sometimes, I want to see something new but there is no time and if I have a
backstage pass say at Balmain at that specific time, I’m not missing it for the
world if you know what I mean. And then the final day of the fashion week comes
and finally some time to check my emails and there are so many things I have
missed.
ER: I think we have a bit different
experiences because I go to Paris for menswear, which is less hectic, but even
I am stretched thin there. I agree, there is little time to see anything new. I
always apologize to all the New York designers in advance that I will not be
able to see them in Paris. I used to go for 7 days, now I go for 9, and that's
with only 5 days of shows, out of which I do 4 and very selectively. But I also
pay attention to the work of many designers who do not do runway.
FM: Sometimes it can be disappointing as
well. For example, you are on good terms with a press office and they invite
you to the shows they represent, and of course you go. Last time I had this
early morning show of a designer I didn’t really want to see, but I went
because I love his PR. So I go there, I’m sitting in a third row, which makes
it impossible for me to take any pictures, the show starts and its as boring as
hell, I run to get the bus, and I open the invite of the next show only to
discover that I have a backstage pass that was impossible for me to get for 5
seasons in a row, and I miss the chance, because I AM LATE, and it’s so frustrating,
because I did not want to see the previous designer to begin with.
ER: I understand. What is frustrating
further is that journalists have been displaced by celebrities and socialites
that don't have much business being at a show in the first place. My colleague,
Veerle Windels, the most celebrated Belgian journalist, wanted to write an
op-ed titled "I never see the shoes," because she's stuck in the
second row most of the time.
I think this would be a brilliant article.
FM: It would be a great one! The other
thing I don’t get is particular in-House PRs sending me everything you can
imagine for a whole season and then when fashion week starts, I request for a
photographer's pass and they say sorry, next season. I think it’s hilarious.
ER: Journalists and bloggers should
organize and start pushing back. PRs are having too much power these days and
bloggers squander their cachet too cheaply. I think the backlash against
Saint-Laurent is an important step.
FM: Saint Laurent has entered a new era right
now. Without the Yves word, it is something new and it has no connection with
what it used to be. It’s like a new company and I am not going to judge it as
something old. It wouldn’t be correct.
ER: Absolutely. It's Slimane's universe
now. The question is, will the rest of the world subscribe to it for more than
a couple of seasons.
FM: Well, it seems he is selling.
ER: Like I said, the question is for how
long.
FM: Well, let me put it this way. A key
journalist wrote the most scathing critique for the first collection. Then,
after the second season, the same journalist wrote an ode to Slimane. What
happened within the 6 months between the first and the second collection and I
wonder about what changed this journalist’s opinion? I’m not saying I agree
with the journalist, before or after. It just made so much impression to me,
the change of opinion from black to white.
ER: Well, not everyone is like that. Of
course, also not everyone is in the position of privilege of working for a
major publication with no ties to advertising, like Cathy Horyn.
Another thing, in the fashion world we
don't give enough credit to consumers. I'd like to think they have agency and
are not mindless sheep and at some point they will bulk at buying $700 cut off
denim shorts just because a certain name is attached to them.
FM: But they do buy! I am quite linked with
the market and know what sells and when. For the past two years I photograph
the most luxurious brands in the industry, 22 thousand euro jackets. The other
day I observed this lady who bought a jacket for 19 thousand euros. She could
give the money to charity, but yet it’s the jacked that she wanted.
ER: On the flip side, if people could not
afford to buy fashion, we would not be witnessing a lot of magic that fashion
creates. We need beauty in our lives.
FM: True, but why does prêt-a-porter
compete with couture? This I don’t understand.
ER: In terms of pricing?
FM: And making. Is there a line separating
the two anymore? I don’t think so. Apart from Givenchy and Chanel, the rest of
couture is more prêt-a-porter these days.
ER: Because it can. I have long resigned
myself to the question on high fashion pricing. Designers will charge what the
market will bear; it's simple economics. The only sad thing about it is that
it's often those who appreciate fashion most that are now priced out of the
market. I'd love to see the most passionate fans wear what they love and not
just the rich who merely consume latest trends. The fans are the ones that do
fashion justice, because it takes a certain “je
ne sais quoi” to pull of many designer pieces.
FM: Personally, I cannot afford everything
I like and its natural.
ER: Yes, but fashion is meant to be worn!
FM: Exactly. And to be seen. And this is
where the street blogs come in.
ER: Yes! What did you think of the debate
that Suzy Menkes started in her New York Times article in February?
FM: Hmm…I feel she shouldn’t have touched
that subject as we have entered a new era and the borders between bloggers and
journalists are no longer valid with the power of the Internet and since some
of these bloggers have made a chapter of their own. It’s time for them to be
finally accepted. Just like in any profession, there are good and bad bloggers
as there are good and bad doctors and so on. As friend would say “live and let
live”.
ER: I'm of two minds on the topic, perhaps
because I am both an editor and have a website on which personal style is
displayed and I know many bloggers.
I think what people must accept is that
bloggers often approach fashion in terms of personal style and the fashion
critic sees fashion in itself. The typical blogger may have in mind more "Would I wear this" and the
critic may think, "Is this beautiful
in itself, relevant, does it push the envelope, etc."
Where I agree with Menkes is that like you
say, often the bloggers are not very good. Also, they become personalities as
opposed to observers.
FM: Yes, not every blogger deserves to be
considered as important, yet, someone who is a blogger, covers his own expenses
to attend the fashion weeks, invests on equipment, a camera etc, does good
pictures, writes well, etc is probably much more important than someone who has
everything paid, has a driver, a hotel suite and travels business class.
Because the first definitely has passion …
ER: To me it all comes down to meritocracy.
Is your coverage good? That's all there is to it. Whether you write for
style.com or your blog should not be important. I liked what Leandra Medine
said in response to Menkes, that because
many of us could not get those cushy jobs, we have created our own.
FM: Yes, I couldn’t agree more. I started
my blog in 2006.
ER: The year I started StyleZeitgeist!
FM: And you know, I'm not sure what I would
become if it weren’t for the blog. It has opened so many doors for me. Plus it
was a way to discover I can do more than clothes. I started as a designer for
women; today I do photography, interviews and so many other things that I never
imagined back then.
ER: I went through the same experience. I
was fired from my god-awful job and I swore that I would never have an office
job in my life again and StyleZeitgeist was just gaining steam. I never hoped
in my wildest dreams that I could do this for a living. Now I wake up every day
with a feeling of gratitude to the world, and especially to all the forum
members, which has allowed me to do this.
FM: Of course. So what about magazines?
Where do you think fashion publications are heading?
ER: As Tyler Brulee of Monocle said, "Differentiate or die!"
FM: Yes!
ER: For a new magazine, I think if you
don't have a clear vision you just become another pretty magazine and there are
plenty of those.
FM: But really, do you think paper is now
powerless?
ER: Absolutely not! The Internet will never
solve some basic problems.
FM: Like what?
ER: One, the problem of browsing. Try
browsing for movies on Netflix; it's a nightmare. With the Internet we live in
a world recommended by those who THINK they know what we want. We have less
power. You used to go to a video store and stumble upon a movie you forgot you
loved. You cannot do this with Netflix.
Two, is the issue of longevity. Everything
moves fast on the Internet. Disappears into ether. That's why we have a print
magazine and an online arm of it. In print we do very long profile type
articles that are timeless and I hope that the readers keep the magazine for
years to come because the articles remain fresh.
And with sz-mag.com we do time sensitive
stories. So we cover both.
What about your experience at Dapper Dan?
How do you find it working at a print publication?
FM: I love it, as it is very precise, with
a very clear vision on what the magazine is about and the editors are more
consistent, issue after issue. It offers what any magazine should, INFORMATION.
ER: I feel like most magazines are too
heavy on the visuals these days. They are like picture books. But I want to
read articles.
FM: DD is about articles, and this is why I
like it.
And I love books. I always enjoy stepping
in a bookstore. The other day, I was in Paris walking with a dear friend of
mine and we entered the Assouline shop in Saint-Germain and they had this
enormous book on couture on display and we started flipping through the pages
and we stumbled on a dress by Dior and she said "Oh that’s the dress I wore on that show" as she used to
be Galliano’s muse. And there is a whole story behind that dress, the fittings,
the making, the styling, the show and finally becomes immortalized in a book.
And I thought, this is a good reason why
one should love books.
ER: See, and this is exactly the problem
the Internet cannot solve, stumbling upon.
The best solution to this problem the
Internet has offered is communities of like minded people who can make
recommendations to each other. That's why I think forums are important. I have
learned so much on StyleZeitgeist from other members.
FM: Like a circle of friends.
ER: Exactly. You know the reason I started
StyleZeitgeist is because I could not find people in my so-called "real
life" to talk about fashion. I'm from the New York’s Russian immigrant
ghetto whose ideas of high fashion, let's say are a little different. But now I
have found a whole universe of like-minded people from all over the world.
That's why the Internet is so important. Especially for the people on the
periphery.
FM: I can so relate to that. Where I was
born there was nothing about fashion. All I had was my mom's magazines, a show
on the national TV every Saturday that would feature a three minute special on
fashion which was basically a collage of random videos that I am sure the host
didn’t know shit about. And then, when I was 13, the national TV opened a
second channel and they had Fashion File with Tim Blanks and
that’s where everything started.
ER: I never saw the show but I always hear
about how influential it was.
FM: It was indeed. First because of Tim
Blanks and the fact that he would present brands like Prada. Back in the 90's
Prada was the answer to grunge. Grunge set the line for a new aesthetic. As
then it was interpreted by brands like Chanel and became something new. I think
that Marc Jacobs was chosen for Louis Vuitton, because what he was doing for
Perry Ellis was so American. But then Lagerfeld comes with models like Eve
Salvail, who was previously used by Gaultier and voila, street becomes polished
and a new era is here. And I remember his show was separated in 5 parts, 5
minutes each. The last part was always dedicated to a model, the hot girl of
the moment.
I was so fascinated at that time by all
that was happening, but everything had a meaning, and a continuation, and a
reason. Now everything seems so disconnected. Just look at the Met Gala
appearances the other day. There was nothing punk about it. I’m sure the Sex
Pistols would laugh at it drinking beers.
ER: Oh, this was such a degraded,
perverted, meaningless spectacle! It had as much to do with punk as elephants
do with tutus. Just another parade of egomaniacs. And for ego only the self is
important and nothing outside of it. I tried watching the live stream but I
turned it off after the host praised Tory Burch as punk. That was enough for
me.
FM: LOL. Still, I am shocked at how it was
embraced.
ER: Was it though? I heard a lot of
backlash against it. But, then, again, I don't follow much the media that gets
paid to write pleasantries.
FM: It was funny, all these older stars in
ball gowns.
ER: I was hoping Marc Jacobs would show up
in plaid boxers. That would've been brilliant.
FM: But this is what I was talking about,
how something so beautiful and strong like punk becomes Americanized and ends
as product that is no longer relevant to its true origin.
ER: Do you think that there is something
especially American in decoupling form from substance from a cultural movement
and watering it down for mass consumption?
FM: Of course.
ER: Can you elaborate?
FM: Well, Tom Ford, for example. He is an
American who worked in Paris remained American, failed in Paris, went back to
America and now is praised by the Parisians. Do you see my point?
ER: Not exactly. Do you mean that America
still holds a very strong influence on the global culture?
FM: Of course. Look at music. Beyonce is
considered chic, Gaga a style icon. And there’s such lack of knowledge of what
is beautiful and elegant that people receive all this information, accept it
and never compare it, because the Internet era is very recent. Most part of the
real modern-fashion evolution that took place 10-15 years ago remains
underexposed.
You can follow the fashion history through
the Internet now and this has been going on for the past 8-10 years, but what
about what happened before the Internet? I mean you can find a lot of
information on fashion but some of these little details, a true fashion lover
knows about are missing and you cannot explain them or share any story about
them because most of these facts contain emotion that is shared by those who
lived them.
ER: But that's why a true fashion lover is
charged with at least trying to explain, through words and images.
FM: I feel some elements are missing. So,
again we go back where this conversation started. There is not enough time. I
remember when I used to know all the models by their name, what each girl
represented, their origin, their age. Today, I don’t care. I don’t have time to
know them, because they don’t last. Models are a good example of how fast this
industry is moving now. Prada had Kirsten Owen and Esther De Jong in her show
for winter and they were so perfect for it! Both models she used to work with back
in the 90’s.
I am sure only a few people remembered and
knew who they were.
But I have to admit that I enjoy that so
many people gather each season to celebrate fashion during fashion week.
ER: So we are back to too much information.
But what about too much money? I read an interesting interview with Guy Trebay,
the New York Times journalist where he commented on how the big conglomerates
have taken over as the driving forces of fashion. What seemed really scary is
his point about how brands hire talented designers in order to build the brand
until the brand becomes bigger than the designer at which point they simply
fire them.
FM: But, of course. Everything has a
different meaning now. Fashion is only business. It used to be 90% emotion and
10% business. Today it’s 99% business and 1% emotion.
ER: I think emotion falls to the smaller
designer whom we must champion in order for them to survive.
FM: I am happy when a designer makes me cry
at a show, like Comme Des Garcons or Rick Owens. I always cry at their shows. I
can hardly take a picture. I wipe my eyes and push the shutter button
Sometimes, when I’m with the photographers
on the podium, I hear their comments on the show and they are so right,
especially the older ones that have been around for 3 decades or more. They are
the best fashion critics that no one credits because fashion grows in them by
virtue of them observing it for so long.
I will never forget last season, at the
Haider Ackermann show, how excited they all were. They were whispering “Bravo,
Bravo!” 50 photographers, ALL OF THEM. But no one paid any attention to them because
all heads were turned to the other side when Haider came out for his applause.
ER: Culturally, fashion has become much
more important. Why is that?
FM: Because fashion is exciting, it gives
you the feeling of belonging especially now that everything is uncertain. Of
course belonging today is an illusion still, humans love illusion and fantasy
and fashion is about both these elements. Less and less, as time passes but
still…
ER: But wasn't it like that in the 90s
before big companies with big marketing budgets came along?
FM: No, most people saw fashion as a party
for the rich.
There was no Zara or H&M.
ER: Now fashion is at museums and we have
magazines like Industrie that features stylists and heads of PR companies. People that nobody outside of fashion
professionals used to know or care about. A glossy magazine about the fashion
industry, now that is certainly a sign of the times!
FM: Well, indeed. But it’s only fair. All
these people in the past made so much work that nobody gave them credit for. We
live at a time that everybody gets his chance and we should me grateful things
have turned out so open. Do you know Walter Pfeiffer? The photographer? The guy
waited for some decades, more than four actually, until someone in fashion said
his work is fresh and now he works for the Vogues. But he never stopped
working, even when he was rejected. Someone said, you would always get your
chance if you work in fashion.
* Eugene Rabkin is the founder of www.stylezeitgeist.com and the editor
of StyleZeitgeist magazine.
Dear Filep
and iDEALS, the Fashion World of Jean Paul Gaultier
- From Sidewalk to the Catwalk' is the first international exhibition devoted
to Jean Paul Gaultier. The exhibition provides a spectacular overview of his
extensive oeuvre.
Initiated and produced by the Montreal
Museum of Fine Arts in collaboration with the Maison Jean Paul Gaultier in
Paris and the Kunsthal Rotterdam, the exhibition shows the magical world of
Gaultier's with a selection of around 140 ensembles mainly from his couture
collections. One can also see pieces from his prêt-à-porter created in 1970 and
2011.
Six different thematic sections guide
you through the exhibition: The Odyssey of Jean Paul Gaultier, The Boudoir,
Skin Deep, Punk Cancan, Urban Jungle and Metropolis.
Jean Paul Gaultier has worked with other
artistic disciplines and artists. He has worked with film directors such as
Pedro Almodovar, Peter Greenaway and Luc Besson, and in modern dance and music
with Kylie Minogue,Tina Turner, Lady Gaga and Madonna.
In the exhibition one
can see examples of this collaborations, especially Madonna, the iconic corsets
from Madonna's Blond Ambition Tour were exhibited.
Dear iDEALS,Rafael Lopez FW 2013-14 collection is inspired by:
Letizia Ortiz, Kate Middleton, Charlotte Casiraghi, Michelle Obama, Carla Bruni Sarkozy and Charlene of Munich,
creating a perfect elegant wardrobe, whilst never forgetting the history and tradition of his own country.
It is from here that the ‘Blue Blood’ collection is born,
bounded with the darkened colours of Goya’s work, the fabrics of traditional Spanish dress,
the black and gold colours of a true gypsy queen’s clothing and the altering tones of grey, reminiscent of smoke emerging from winter chimneys.
A “Rock, Royal and Royalties” woman – living for the man that she loves and for the children that she lives and fights for.
Dear iDEALS, building upon the success of Steven Tai’s debut SS13 collection, AW13 sees the development and growth of the nerdy muse. As if plucked from a high school timetable, this season drew from the subject of science and sports. Taking inspiration from illustrator Franco Brambilla’s postcard series, Invading the Vintage, books and brains conquer the catwalks again this season with Steven Tai's nod to the science fiction geek.
Steven Tai is the winner of the Hyères Festival’s first ever Chloé Award
judged by Yohji Yamamoto. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, he debuted
his first collection at Berlin Fashion Week in July 2012.
Lookbook Credits: Photographer: Kin Chan Model: Mia @ Premier Video Credit: Art Direction: Steven Tai and Kin Chan Film: Ruta Balseviciute Make-up/ Hair: Lucy Evans Production Assistant: Kristina Lennon Model: Margaret Clunie @Elite Voice: Dirk Jan Devries
Photographer: James D Kelly
Stylist: Kristine Kilty
Film Director: Julian Ruiz
Grooming: Stephen Hamilton using MAC & Paul Mitchell
Set Design: Charmaine Dresser
Fashion Assistant: Arndt Stobba
Photography Assistants: Aidan Porter & Dieter Brandenburg
Filming Assistant:Ricardo Mcleary-Campbell
Set Design Assistant- Bethan smith
Models: Chris Arundel @ Storm, Ben Palmer @ Select
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